Special attention to the bolded part that statement was added (unilaterally, as far as I can tell) in 2018, and isn't corroborated by anything on the actual page for Authority Equals Asskicking.Įdited by Anarchist2 on Sep 26th 2022 at 10:39:23 PM To me, the italicised part conforms to the idea that leaders are physically stronger because of narrative reasons, not for in-universe reasons.
Note that a leader who simply happens to be strong is neither trope. In other words, if you're The Leader because you're the toughest, then that is this trope if you're the toughest because you're The Leader then that is the other trope. A story about a hero confronting a villainous organisation whose members became ever tougher as he closes in on the leader counts as Authority Equals Asskicking. A story about a contender rising through the hierarchy by kicking the asses of his rivals counts as Asskicking Equals Authority. The distinction depends on what type of story you're telling. Not to be confused with Authority Equals Asskicking, which often overlaps with this trope. If we don't merge into Asskicking Equals Authority (because it's getting merged into Challenging the Chief or something), then I'd suggest a disambigĮdited by amathieu13 on Sep 25th 2022 at 12:51:13 PM If not, then we can consider merging Asskicking Equals Authority into Challenging the Chief.Īs for Authority Equals Asskicking, the amount of misuse to me shows that it's not really workable as defined. If we think that's enough to keep them distinct, then merging Authority Equals Asskicking into Asskicking Equals Authority and/or rewriting into a "combat ability grants authority" should still be ok. note copied exactly from the pageĬhallenging the Chief and Asskicking Equals Authority are the most similar with the only difference seeming to be the former is when there's an actual ritual or formal system implemented, whereas the latter can happen without that. Authority Equals Asskicking (current def): The higher a character is in a political, business, or military hierarchy, the better he is in a fight.Asskicking Equals Authority (current def): A society in which you get to be The Leader by fighting others and proving you're the strongest around.Gunboat Diplomacy: Demonstrating one's strength to encourage compliance from another without technically/blatantly/actually threatening them.( An aside: the page description says Challenging The Chief is a subtrope. Klingon Promotion: Killing someone means you get their position.Challenging the Chief: A society has a ritual challenge system that determines who's strong enough to be the leader.We've thrown around a lot of existing tropes so I'm just going to consolidate them here to wrap my head around them. Wicks with multiple entries not all same results 6/80 7.5%Įdited by GastonRabbit on Oct 9th 2022 at 8:11:59 AM Such as If P, then QĪ further problem arrises from neither trope making it clear in their pages that these are world-setting tropes and not to be focused on one or two characters. Another option could be shifting to more direct conditional terms, but that could make the trope names a bit long. For Asskicking Equals Authority it could be The Leader Must Kick Ass. For Authority Equals Asskicking it would be Authority Requires Asskicking.
One suggested set of names is to change the verb "equals" to something which shows the conditional nature of the tropes.
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One Mod even admitted on the TRS thread they believed one was the redirect of the other, showing how anyone could be mistaken in this connection. Not only are the names of these tropes gramatically the same (A=B is logically equivalent to B=A), but neither check has more than 20% of purely good examples.īoth tropes need to be renamed to better differentiate from each other. There is rampant misuse on both of these troes based on my checks Authority Equals Asskicking Wick Check and Asskicking Equals Authority Wick Check. Note: This thread was proposed by isoycrazy and covers both Asskicking Equals Authority and Authority Equals Asskicking, despite the title, though both suffer from misuse.
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